BoM Issues
In this essay, I don’t intend any hard hitting scientific, philosophical, or logical argument against the Book of Mormon. Instead, I want to take a look at some of the overlooked simpler red flags things found in it’s pages—things that, when looked at more critically, might give the reader pause. Things that, when considered, might lead the reader to wonder if the Book of Mormon was constructed hurriedly, without much time for editorial revision; constructed in such a manner that some silliness, absurdities, and implausibilities might have crept in. We might discover that there are things found in the Book of Mormon that we ought not find if the Book was actually all it claims to be.
“I, Abinadi…”
Book of Mormon caricature King Noah is ruling during a period of prosperity. As there is nothing to keep him or his people humble, they have descended into abominations, wickedness, and whoredoms (Mosiah 11: 20). So the Lord sends Abinadi to call them all to repentance, lest they be visited by His anger, and conquered by their enemies.
As one might imagine, King Noah does not take kindly to Abinadi’s words of warning:
…Who is Abinadi, that I and my people should be judged of him, or who is the Lord, that shall bring upon my people such great affliction? I command you to bring Abinadi hither, that I may slay him, for he has said these things that he might stir up my people to anger one with another, and to raise contentions among my people; therefore I will slay him.” (Mosiah 11: 27, 28)
So fearing for his life, Abinadi goes into hiding for two years, after which he is ready to cry repentance to the people once more. But there’s a problem. King Noah still wants him dead, so if he were to start preaching, he would be instantly arrested. That is...unless he has a cunning plan.
If he were to put on a disguise, he’d be able to speak to the people without anybody realizing that he is in fact Abinadi. Let’s see how that worked out for him…
And it came to pass that after the space of two years that Abinadi came among them in disguise, that they knew him not, and began to prophesy among them, saying: Thus has the Lord commanded me, saying—Abinadi… (Mosiah 12: 1)
Did you catch the silliness? To avoid arrest, he hides for two years. Then when he’s ready to preach again, to avoid arrest, he puts on a disguise. Then, while in disguise, the first words out of his mouth announce his name.
In my head, when I read that, someone shouts out “Hey everybody! It’s Abinadi! Get him!” and Abinadi mumbles “D’oh!”
2. Building a new Temple.
Upon arriving in their new home in the Americas, Nephi and his brothers separate into the two communities (2nd Nephi 5, 1- 6) that will grow (faster than any population in human history) to become the Nephites and the Lamanites.
The newly formed Nephite community consisted of a little more than three families. Nephi and his family, his older brother Sam and his family, his younger brothers Jacob and Joseph, and his sisters (no mention of how many, and they remain unnamed—like virtually every other woman mentioned in the Book of Mormon), plus Zoram and his family.
And once the Nephites and Lamanites diverge (in 2nd Nephi 5: 5-7), one of the first things the righteous Nephites do is build themselves a Temple (between 588 and 570 BCE), modeled generally after the Temple of Solomon (2nd Nephi 5: 15) they knew in Jerusalem.
The Biblical account of the construction of the suggests that it took as many as 180,000 workers (1st Kings 5:13-16) seven years (1st Kings 6: 37-38) to build Solomon’s Temple. Yet three Nephite families were able to construct this new temple “…like unto the temple of Solomon; and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine.” (2nd Nephi 5:15).
One possibility is that the construction of the Temple was carried out by the original families, plus the natives that they converted into the Nephite fold. However, there is literally not a single mention of meeting any indigenous populations, or even individuals. The Book of Mormon narrative says that Lehi and his expedition arrived at an empty continent (2nd Nephi 1:5-11; Ether 2:7). LDS apologetics have suggested that, contrary to the text of the BoM, Lehi and company arrived at an already populated land,[i] and that the actual text of the Book of Mormon (1st Nephi 13:30) states that the Lamanites and Nephites would intermarry other immigrants.[ii] I think that this is interpolating something into 1St Nephi 13:30 that isn’t there, but I will leave that to the judgment of the reader.
3. Speaking of building the new Temple…
In 2nd Nephi 5:15, we discover that the Temple was constructed of wood, and of iron, and of copper, and of brass, and of steel, and of gold, and of silver, and of precious ores, which were in great abundance.”
Then the very next verse (16) informs the reader that although they “did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon,” it wasn’t quite as nice because “it [was] not built of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land…”
4. Korihor the Anti-Christ is struck dumb.
In Alma 30, we come across Korihor, the 3rd “Anti-Christ” of the Book of Mormon (the others are Sherem, found in Jacob 7, and Nehor, found in Alma 1). Although there was no law forbidding believing the wrong things (Alma 30: 7, 11), after preaching that there would be no Christ and need for atonement, “he was taken and bound and carried before the high priest and also the chief judge over the land…” (21) (I don’t know, sorta sounds like he was arrested for his beliefs…). When brought before Alma the chief judge, Korihor says that if he receives a sign, he will believe (43).
So Alma gives Korihor a sign. He has God strike him dumb. To be clear, to be struck “dumb” means that one would lose the ability to speak. It has no effect on hearing, it just means that one cannot speak (Alma 30: 47-50). Although Korihor was not struck deaf, Alma “…put forth his hand and wrote unto Korihor, saying: Art thou convinced of the power of God? In whom did ye desire that Alma should show forth his sign?”
So Korihor was dumb, not deaf, yet Alma communicates to him in writing.
Furthermore, although believing the wrong things was not a crime, Alma (the Chief Judge) threatened the entire population with the same punishment from God if they didn’t repent of believing what Korihor told them (Alma 30:57).
5. The Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon and the Pure Adamic Language
LDS scripture maintains that Adam and Eve had a language that was pure and undefiled, a language both spoken and written (Moses 6:5, 6). This was the one and only language spoken until somewhere between 3500 and 3000 BCE, the time of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1-9; Mosiah 28:17, Journal of Discourses 3: 100 (Orson Pratt)).
You’ll recall that the Jaredites (Book of Mormon people whose history comprises the Book of Ether) descended from people who were present at the tower of Babel (Mosiah 28:17, Ether 1:33). You’ll further recall that the central event of the story of the Tower of Babel is that God made everybody forget their (Adamic) language, “counfounded” their languages, and scattered the people (Genesis 11: 7-9; Ether 1:33).
Jared, in some way unspecified in the text, had foreknowledge of what God was about to do, so asked his brother to ask God to spare them and their friends (Ether 1: 33-37). God listened and agreed. Consequently, the language that the Jaredites carried to the new world was the Adamic language—unreadable to the Nephites who discovered the 24 gold Jaredite plates (the as yet unnamed Book of Ether) and Urim and Thummim amongst the ruins of the final Jaredite battle (Mosiah 8: 8-11).
King Mosiah translated the plates, by use of the Urim and Thummin (Mosiah 28: 11-13), but after telling his people all about it, apparently didn’t write it down (Mosiah 28: 17-19), because the written account of Ether had to be later re-translated by Moroni (Ether 1: 1-2).
Now the question of the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon. The sealed portion is a vision that the Brother of Jared had of “all things from the foundation of the world unto the end thereof” (2nd Nephi 27: 10-11), and “all the inhabitants of the earth which had been, and also all that would be…even unto the ends of the earth.” (Ether 3: 25). And where does it fit into the Book of Mormon? In the first few verses of Ether 4 where Moroni says (4) “Behold, I have written upon these plates the very things which the brother of Jared saw; and there never were greater things made manifest than those which were made manifest unto the brother of Jared. (5) Wherefore the Lord hath commanded me to write them; and I have written them. And he commanded me that I should seal them up…”
And here’s where it raises an interesting question to me.
“…and he also hath commanded that I should seal up the interpretation thereof…” (italics added)
It appears that Moroni wrote a translation in addition to transcribing the original. The original, being in the Adamic language, would be impossible to read without divine assistance:
God, speaking to the Brother of Jared:
(Ether 3: 22) [w]hen ye shall come unto me, ye shall write them and shall seal them up, that no one can interpret them; for ye shall write them in a language that they cannot be read. (23) And behold, these two stones will I give unto thee, and ye shall seal them up also with the things which ye shall write. (24) For behold, the language which ye shall write I have confounded; wherefore I will cause in my own due time that these stones shall magnify to the eyes of men these things which ye shall write. (27)… write these things and seal them up…(28)… the Lord commanded him that he should seal up the two stones which he had received, and show them not, until the Lord should show them unto the children of men. (italics added).
(Note the above use of the term “confounded.” It is the same term found in the accounts of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11: 7, 9; Ether 1:33; Mosiah 28:7)—the language being confounded was the pre-Babel language (Gen 11:1), in LDS theology the Adamic language).
So if he included the original Adamic text, in order for it to be read in the future (when the sealed portion would be revealed), it would be necessary for Moroni to include the Urim and Thummim. And that is precisely what he does. In Ether 4: 5, Moroni adds that “I have sealed up the interpreters, according to the commandment of the Lord.”
My reading of this is that Moroni translated the original into Moroni’s written language (Reformed Egyptian), AND transcribed the original in the original language (Adamic), and sealed it up, and included the Urim and Thummim in order to read the original Adamic text, which he admired so much (Ether 12:24).[iii]
6. Speaking of the plates containing the Jaredite record…
They were lucky to stumble across the plates really, because in that final battle, one side alone suffered 2 million losses, plus their wives, plus their children (Ether 15:2). And that is one side, so double that. What’s that? 6 million deaths in that final battle. Yet an expedition of 43 explorers (Mosiah 8:7) luckily stumbled on the plates. I a battlefield with 6 million dead. How? They were hidden “in a manner in a manner that the people of Limhi did find them.” (Ether15:33).
So they were hidden? From whom? As far as they knew, the entire continent was unpopulated.
But ok. They were hidden. “in a manner in a manner that the people of Limhi did find them.” What does that even mean? Yes they were hidden, but not in a very clever way? If so, how would Moroni even know they were hidden? Or were they hidden in such a way as to make them easily findable for somebody who might come along in the future? That doesn’t quite qualify as hidden, does it.
[i] Populations in the Book of Mormon - By Study and Faith: Book of Mormon Population Statistics | Meridian Magazine (latterdaysaintmag.com)
[ii] Adding Up the Book of Mormon Peoples - FAIR (fairlatterdaysaints.org)
[iii] An interesting Implication: It appears to me that although the Church claims that it takes no official statement on Evolution, the acceptance of the reality of Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon, at minimum is one of the many items tying the Church to an acceptance of a literal reality of Adam and Eve. A position that seems at odds to evolution to me. If the Golden Plates were real physical objects, evolution is not true.
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One I would add is just the difficulty taking the record abridging narrative seriously with verses like this (Alma 46:40):
And there were some who died with fevers, which at some seasons of the year were very frequent in the land—but not so much so with fevers, because of the excellent qualities of the many plants and roots which God had prepared to remove the cause of diseases, to which men were subject by the nature of the climate
But verses like this are really problematic because the Book of Mormon text that we have today is NOT the narrative as written by the original authors (aside from allegedly the small plates not implicated here). Remember, it is an abridgement made by Mormon and Moroni. So that means not only do you have to believe the Alma would have written an odd statement like this in the first instance, but that Mormon decided it was worth copying over that way.
Think of the exercises you would do in grade school learning how to paraphrase something. How would you paraphrase the statements in the verse above? Something probably like this:
While fevers were frequent in the land during certain season, not many people died because of God preparing plants and roots to remove the fevers and diseases.
You see, when you're trying to abridge or capture the most important part, you would never include the statement at the beginning that completely contradicts the rest of the sentence. This should be doubly clear when we're not just talking about putting forth the effort we have to today when we're typing--Mormon would have been recording his abridgment onto metal plates through painstaking effort.
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Not only that, consider the extraordinary amount of advanced metallurgy required for that Book of Mormon narrative, and the mining, milling, concentrating, smelting, refining, forging and forming, etc, just for the plates, alone, and not even considering all of the other steel tools and implements of war, etc.
Including multiple generations and iterations and abridgments of multiple collections of inscribed metal plates.
Not only that, consider that Joseph Smith has his Book of Mormon prophets lament their difficult task of laboriously inscribing on metal plates of limited space — but then Smith gives them all diarrhea of the mouth, gushing with endless, phony and flowery, contrived pseudo-Biblical speech, wasteful and circumlocutious like no other, wasting the majority of the space on the plates with wasted words, saying nothing. And straining way too hard to sound earnest and pious, Biblical and sincere. And authentic and ancient.
Try it yourself while reading the Book of Mormon — delete all of the useless and mind-numbing verbiage that contributes nothing. And pretend because of space constraints that you have to economize and capture only the important stuff, in normal human speech, and inscribe it onto metal plates.
Or pretend you’re Joseph Smith with a self-conscious need to make it sound kinda like that, and scripting it like that. It’s simply not the way normal people talk. It’s pretend people with pretend religion… and too many words from Joseph Smith trying too hard and not constrained by any space limitations on any metal plates.
It is so self-consciously a 19th-Century ‘trying-too-hard’ orthodox Christian contrivance that it’s embarrassing, pretending to be something it‘s not.
It’s not the missing steel swords in the archaeology of the Americas as much as the 1000+ years of missing gold plates from which Mormon and others made their final condensed abridgments.
And that doesn’t even consider the spectacular self-falsify in the BoM even before getting to archeology and metallurgy.
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Three more:
- When the Jaredites build their barges and realize they need light and air and all that, they had already taken a trip on similar barges. How did they take the first trip without those problems coming up?
In Alma 30, it goes into great rambling detail about how great the laws were in the land, and that people could have whatever beliefs they wanted without being punished:
7 Now there was no law against a aman’s bbelief; for it was strictly contrary to the commands of God that there should be a law which should bring men on to unequal grounds.
8 For thus saith the scripture: aChoose ye this day, whom ye will serve.
9 Now if a man desired to serve God, it was his privilege; or rather, if he believed in God it was his privilege to serve him; but if he did not believe in him there was no law to punish him.
10 But if he amurdered he was punished unto bdeath; and if he crobbed he was also punished; and if he stole he was also punished; and if he committed dadultery he was also punished; yea, for all this wickedness they were punished.
11 For there was a law that men should be judged according to their crimes. Nevertheless, there was no law against a man’s belief; therefore, a man was punished only for the crimes which he had done; therefore all men were on aequal grounds.
And then, in verse 12, it jumps right into the story of Korihor - a man who has a belief that differs from everyone else's, so they took him and bound him and carried him before Ammon who was a high priest over that people.
Also, Korihor mentions being deceived by the devil, who appeared looking like an angel, saying there was no God. And Korihor apparently didn't bother to ask how an angel would exist without a God, or why an angelic messenger would have that message for him...
Yet another instance where we see Joseph implying that it is impossible to tell the difference between angels and devils. See also the D&C where he claims a failed prophesy actually came from the devil and he instructs how to tell the difference with handshakes, as there is no other way to tell.
If the prophet of the restoration can’t tell the difference between God’s voice and Satan’s, why is anyone sent to a lower kingdom for being deceived?
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One of my favorite overlooked parts of the story:
First, the group fled Babel and built barges (Ether 2):
6 And it came to pass that they did travel in the wilderness, and did abuild bbarges, in which they did cross many waters, being directed continually by the hand of the Lord.
Next, while in the land of "Moriancumer" dwelling in tents for four years on the seashore, God tells him to build the barges we're all aware of with the whole stone lighting up thing. Oh, and the Lord tells them that the barges should be like the ones they've already used:
16 And the Lord said: Go to work and build, after the manner of abarges which ye have hitherto built. And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did go to work, and also his brethren, and built barges after the manner which they had built, according to the binstructions of the Lord.
...and then suddenly the Brother of Jared is perplexed about how to have light and air to breathe in these things that they've already traveled in across many waters!
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I always love this one from Ether 2:23
And the Lord said unto the brother of Jared: What will ye that I should do that ye may have light in your vessels? For behold, ye cannot have windows, for they will be dashed in pieces;
This is the Brother of Jared, supposedly 2500-2200 BC, and they’re talking about paned windows….. 🤔
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Don't forget about Jacob chastising his "people" for engaging in polygamy as well as seeking for gold and silver and some people having more than others so they have begun to be lifted up in pride.
Here are a few of the problems.
1). This is Jacob who was born in the desert in the old world. They are still within the first 80 years of being in the americas. The group size is probably just 70ish or so because they split off from the lamanites. Polygamy????? Where exactly are all of these extra women coming from to make this such a big issue?
2). Gold and silver would have absolutely zero value in a group of 70 or so. The value is in shelter and food. Gold isn't valueable until you get a much larger community with excess where you have abundance. Gold and silver are just rocks in this situation.
3). And pride for having more rocks (gold and silver) than others????? It's just a small family here. Where is the pride coming from?????
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Ive always thought these paralleling scriptures from the New Testament and the Book of Mormon are very interesting.
NT John 11:49-50
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, 50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
BOM 1 nephi 4:13
13 Behold the Lord slayeth the wicked to bring forth his righteous purposes. It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief.
Also, remember this is about 600 years before Jesus. So that means Caiaphas is pulling a Nephi.
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Probably one of my earliest shelf items was when I realized that Enos is the son of Jacob, the same Jacob who was born in the wilderness to Lehi. Before Enos dies, he declares that some 170 years have passed (or some large number) since Lehi left Jerusalem. Do the math. Either Jacob was extremely old when he had Enos, but still had his faculties enough to teach Enos when Enos was old enough to be taught, or Enos lived an extraordinarily long life, or both if you want to meet in the middle. No mention was made of any of these miraculously lengthy lives. Even today, with our extended life expectancies, a span of two generations covering 170 years would be a noteworthy feat.
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According to Ether 9:17-19, the Jaradites had "cattle of oxen and cows, sheep, swine and goats, horses and asses, elephants, as well as 'cureloms' and 'cumons', so there ought to be archaeological evidence of them in the Americas before the time of Columbus, but none has ever been found. Wikipedia
says "It is widely accepted that the only large mammal to be domesticated in the Americas was the llama and that no species of goats, deer, or sheep were domesticated before the arrival of the Europeans to the continent." It is more or less possible to explain the references to domesticated sheep and goats as mistranslations, but the clear absence in pre-Columbine America of swine, horses, asses and elephants is something yet to be explained in any way consistent the the historicity of the Book of Mormon.
Alma 18:9-10,12, 20:6; 3 Nephi 3:22 refer to chariots, but there is no evidence of wheeled vehicles in the Americas. There are several references to swords made out of steel. In case the reference to 'steel' is a mistranslation of another metal, Mosiah 8:10-11 refers to the swords found to be covered with rust. There is no archaeological evidence of the use of steel in the Americas, and certainly not as early as the earliest mention in the Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon describes the Nephite people as having a written language based on Hebrew and Egyptian. Some characters of this 'Reformed Egyptian' language have supposedly been preserved in the 'Anthon Transcript', of which "Recent scholarship, including handwriting analysis, suggests the "Caractors" document was written by David Whitmer's brother John Whitmer in or after 1829". The Smithsonian Institution says (Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon, 1996), "No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland."
Joseph Smith’s own criminal history speaks volumes about him as a man and, by extension, against any historical truth in his writings. Wikipedia provides a good summary of the numerous criminal charges laid against Joseph Smith, including fraud, conspiracy to murder and threatening a judge. Joseph Smith and the criminal justice system - Wikipedia says that Joseph Smith faced thirty criminal actions and was arrested at least forty times. True, some of those charges could be dismissed, rightly or wrongly, as persecution, but others either predated his religious journey or were of a more serious nature.
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Note also that Smth’s imaginative writings have been extensively revised by subsequent generations of “Saints”… Who invented the idea of “later revelations” to correct some of his more outlandish notions.
The notion of some “lost tribe” of white people living in the Americas was not unique to Smith. Settlers who found megalithic structures like the Mounds around St. Louis decided that these could not have been constructed by the “primitive savages” (or so they imagined the Indians) and so they must have been made by an earlier group… A people more advanced and of course… Whiter….
There were many proposed sources for these people, from the “lost tribes” of Israel, to the Romans, to a variety of other peoples.
Of course, we now know a great deal about the Mississippian culture, how they lived, and likely why their society collapsed. They were Native Americans as much as other tribes.
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Deutero Isaiah (Isaiah 40–45) is known to be written during and after the Babylonian Captivity and after Lehi and his family left Jerusalem but yet Isaiah Chapter 50 is included in 2 Nephi Chapter 7 and even worse Deutero Isaiah 51 is included in 2 Nephi 8 and verses 24 and 25 are taken into Moroni 10:31 at the end of the Book of Mormon. This cannot be overlooked without explanation. Deutero Isaiah cannot be in the Book of Mormon because Lehi left with his family before the exile. And even if Joseph Smith copied more of Isaiah from his Bible than he should have, why is the language of the last Book of Mormon prophet Moroni 10:31 post exilic?
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The Book of Mormon says that one of the Jewish tribes landed in Central America and grew as a community. However there is absolutely no Jewish DNA of people living in Central America. This is one of many lies and inacuracies found in the Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon does not say, describe, or imply “Central America”. That is a myth. If you read the book you would see that the cities described, the resources used, the geographical description, and animals do not support a Central American geography. The Great Lakes area does coincide with all the descriptions I mentioned and many many others. The evidence has been abundantly discovered in sites of the Mounds people by non-member archeologists. There aren’t many sites that weren’t destroyed by settlers and the early government that didn’t want evidence of advanced civilizations because it would hurt their manifest destiny campaign. But the sites that survived contain head plates, breast plates, and weapons described in the Book of Mormon. I could go on and on about the correlating geography and other descriptions because it’s so fascinating, but the fact of the matter is that the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. It teaches spiritual things and the evidence of spiritual things is found through spiritual means not physical. Read it, pray sincerely to God to know if it’s true, and the Holy Ghost will manifest the truth of it to you.
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Joseph Smith was harassed, beaten, tarred and feathered, poisoned, falsely imprisoned and finally murdered. He was accused of dozens of crimes but not convicted of anything. Why would he go through all of that if he was just trying to con people out of their money?
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How does a book published in 1829 contain so many accurate details about Arabian geography even naming the site NHM that wasn’t identified until the 1980’s? That’s not propaganda, it’s solid evidence.
The Book of Mormon contains many Old World names, idioms and technologies that were unknown when the book was published. Steel and the Hebrew male name Alma are just two examples.
How do you explain the many Hebraisms in the Book of Mormon identified by Harold Bloom a non-LDS scholar from Yale? Chiasmus is all over the Book of Mormon, but no one in 1829 knew anything about it. How did an unschooled frontier farmer craft one of the most sophisticated chiasms in the English Language? See Alma 36. Chiasmus in Alma 36
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What are the original names of ancient Mesoamerican cities? How many Mesoamerican scripts remain undeciphered? What percentage of the ruins there have been excavated?
So what? Lack of evidence is ……lack of evidence. You have zero.
Let’s try actual evidence that isn’t produced by the propaganda arm of the Mormon Church.
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It is as accurate as Jack and the Beanstalk is for how plants grow.
It is pure fiction.
Could be, but if so God enjoys writing fiction for our benefit.
He is also fiction. Nothing was ever written by anyone other than human authors.
Well, that is a statement of opinion. You cannot possibly know. I have heard the word of God literally, been touched physically by spirits. Been saved twice from certain and immediate death by angels physically moving my body. So my experiences are fact. Your statement is an opinion. I hope someday you can have some contact with the unseen world. Then perhaps you may reconsider some of your opinions.
An unsupported anecdotal account is just that.
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Of all those charges and arrests, how many resulted in conviction and sentancing? I could only find 2 that were even credible. He was persecuted and murdered for his beliefs. The fact that his movement is still strong almost 200 years later must account for something.
“The fact that his movement is still strong almost 200 years later must account for something.”. That classic argument fail is called Argumentation theory - Wikipedia. Millions believed in Roman gods etc etc. He was a con man, and convicted, as you note.
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So funny!!! Like ‘Dick’ and ‘Mark’ are professional religion commentators. Just jump right in asap to put down a faith they hate just for hating.
The Book of Mormon is accurate. Very accurate. And historically speaking,,, it is right on.
So,, who do you believe? I studied the LDS church doctrine all my life.
I do know this,,, you don’t ask an agnostic or venomous agitator questions about something they hate. What kind of an answer do you think you’d get?? An honest one?? LOLOL!!! You ask someone who is neutral, or,,, God Himself. If you believe in the Bible, God, and Jesus Christ,, then you believe in prayer and getting answers from prayers.
THAT is how the prophets in the bible received answers. When He answers,, you’ll know it.
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